@nky111 - Your inherent fallacy is the application of real world mores and sensibilities to the fantasy, make-believe world of porn. . .These young, beautiful women get remunerated for their sexual expertise (def. of a whore). . . Some (sadly, not all) of them give the distinct impression that they would perform gratis, because of their insatiable sexual appetite (def. of a slut). . . I think the occasional, unfortunate use of some words is more a factor of the general crassificaton of our language, rather than any "hatred" on our part. . . Reminds me of the old joke - A slut or a whore is a woman who sleeps with everyone. . A bitch is a woman who sleeps with everyone but YOU!! Peace.

To be honest, I always find those "She loves it" comments bizarrely naive. I always feel like the people who actually think that (most of the time) are probably not all that great in bed. I really don't believe that most of these actresses have insatiable sexual appetites any more than I believe that an actor that plays terrorists all the time is in reality itching to destroy democracy (speaking of the mixing of fantasy and reality). I really don't see any reason to look down on the actresses at all. I also note that scorn is not heaped on the male talent, who are generally doing the same thing for considerably less money. So it's more than just language - it's when we feel the need to be abusive, regardless of the language.

@nky111 - Your actor analogy is patently specious. An actor playing a terrorist merely has to recite his lines to collect his check. . .When a woman performs an anal gang bang, she has to do considerably more (so an innate need and desire for this kind of sexual fulfillment would almost have to be a necessity). . .You minimize degradation of our language - Rapper Jay-Z has made a gazillion dollars writing songs referring to women as bitches and whores. . .You figure he asks Beyonce to "Pass the salt, bitch" around the dinner table??.. . . Its ALL about our vicarious sexual gratification. . . Its NOT for real. . . Don`t take it or yourself so seriously.

If something is "patently" specious -- then it isn't specious at all. Right? In any case, I was thinking that what made guys think the stars loved it is that they are forever saying "I love it" in the scenes, which actually would be fairly analogous to the "legitimate" actor. But if that's not the reason men have convinced themselves that girls truly enjoy licking their own feces off men's dicks, may I ask what *is* the argument? Simply the fact that they do it? I think lots of people get in jobs they don't like, and when you haven't a lot of marketable skills and you're being paid easily ten times what you otherwise would, THAT, rather than "insatiable" desire to get brutally throat-fucked, would be the motivation for doing it....

@nky111 - Patently means obviously. . . As in, you`re obviously, astonishingly naive if you are asserting that some of these women don`t, not merely enjoy, but revel in some of these scenes. . . I invite you to check out the KINK channel on this site. You`ll find women having unspeakable things done to their bodies (sometimes even in front of a cheering crowd). . An interview usually follows - Generally, the very articulate star states that it was an extremely enjoyable, and sexuallly fulfilling experience. . . This is NOT the mid-scene "Fuck Me Harder" examples that you mentioned. . .They appear to me to be genuine.

@nyk111 - Just incidentally, I`m sure you KNOW I was referring to performing in porn. Someone who would fuck in hundreds of films, with innumerable partners, for free, is in fact a slut.

Is a man who fucks hundreds of partners a slut, and, if so, why don't we hear him called names for it? If it's given any attention at all, at least by men, I think there's admiration, not disdain. But simply saying "that's what a slut is" ignores the fact that you *could* just say "actress," "porn star" "female talent," even just "girl" (since the fact that it's porn is obvious without comment). Instead derogatory terms are used. Someone using the N-word is not *mistaken* about the race of the person he's insulting; THAT is hardly the point. It's that he's chosen a hate-word when he clearly didn't have to.

@nky111 - Of course we have, and use, names for these men. . .Have you never heard of philanderer, womanizer, gigolo, horndog, lecher, benmar, wolf, rake, stud,??. . .Haven`t you read comments such as prick, scumbag, or lowlife, referring to Male talent??. . . Are these derogatory or merely descriptive of their actions??. . . Peace, brother. Its been fun.

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. But even if, for the sake of argument, we say that actresses crave all these things (!), I still see no need to heap abuse on them. Wanting sex is ok by me - even lots of it. And my only point re "patently specious" was that a specious argument is by definition *one whose error is not obvious*, so "obviously specious" is...problematic. :) Happy NY.

@nky111 - You could be right - probably should have said spurious instead of specious. . Just 1 final point - Doesn`t it seem like you`re closing the barndoor after the horse has bolted? After SEVERAL years of women being referred to COMMONLY as whores, sluts and bitches in music, movies and TV (There`s even an ABC sitcom with an implied "b. . ."" in the title), it just seemed odd to me that you chose to question why women who actually suck and fuck for a living, are referred to in that fashion.. . . You`re not wrong to question why. . . you`re just a little late. . . A happy and healthy new year to you, too.